لا لكتابة العربية بأحرف غير عربية

على مدى واسع على الانترنت، في غرف الدردشة والتعليقات في المدونات والمنتديات العربية وفي الشبكات الإجتماعية، تنتشر ظاهرة كتابة اللغة العربية بحروف لاتينية واستبدال بعض الحروف العربية التي يصعب كتابتها بالحروف اللاتينية بأرقام.

الظاهرة كما يقول بعض الذين يتابعونها بدأت نتيجة عدم توفر لوحة مفاتيح باللغة العربية لدي الكثير من العرب المهاجرين إلى الخارج مما كان يسبب لهم مشكلة في التواصل مع المنتديات والمواقع العربية باللغة العربية فدعاهم ذلك إلى استخدام الحروف اللاتينية في التعبير، مع ملاحظة أن مواطني بلدان المغرب العربي كانت لهم المبادرة الأولي في ذلك، ربما لاستخدام الفرنسية بحروفها اللاتينية على نطاق واسع هناك.

كانت تلك البداية وقد يقول البعض أنها بداية مبررة لكن المزعج بالفعل أنها أصبحت ظاهرة عامة الآن وانتشرت حتى بين من يملكون لوحة المفاتيح باللغة العربية. حتى أن بعض الشباب صار لا يستعمل غيرها كنوع من اللغة السرية.

المدهش بالفعل أن الكثير ممن يتحاملون علي الثقافة العربية صارت تلك اللغة المخنثة لغتهم الرسمية كأنهم ركبوا تلك الموجة ووظفوها لصالح مصالحهم لنسف كل ما يربط بالثقافة العربية، ولتكن تلك اللغة أول مسمار يدق في نعشها [كما فعل أتاتورك في تركيا].

من أجل كل ذلك رأت مدونة "عرب ضد الفتنة" أن تكون حملة مفتوحة لمحاربة تلك الكتابة المخنثة، والباب مفتوح أمام الجميع للمشاركة في المبادرة والبحث عن حلول.

عن مدونة عرب ضد الفتنة [بتصرف]

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عرب ضد الفتنة تشكر موقع بلا فرنسية علي التعاون معنا ونتمني من الله عز وجل دوام روابط الترابط بين كل أبناء العروبة

هذى ليست لغة..فلم و لن تكن لغة او ارثا ثقافيا او لغويا او حتى طفرة حضارية ...

النص التالى مناقشة و مناقضة ردا منى على احد الدخلاء الداعيين الى هذى اللغة .

هو بالانجليزية .... وربما كان فى حاجة الى ترجمة بالعربية .. ولكن لنقل ان المهتمين يستطيعين القراءة بالانجليزية .

This is a Discussion in a Forum , i can say it became a set of views :

Intro : Franco-Arab is a new code language , used to communicate all over the arabic cyberspace , socially created by theose woh used it as a simple way to express at the devices which didn't support arabic as Cellphones , aimed first to simple sentences as a SMS , and used at the forums , chat , Replies , Email .. common daily Internet life .... it uses the arabic in english letters , but with No rule to follow and replacing some arabic letters with some numbers ... ( 2 , 3 ,3', 5 ,5', 6 , 6', 7 , 7' ) , used now by the youth and the current Cyberspace generation ...

here is the Discussion :

----------Me----------
3 Different Modes we use to write what we need : Chats , Emails , Forums , Replies ,...etc

1-Arabic /or/ Arabic Egyptian
2-English
3-Franco Arab , which is between mixed with some numbers to exclude some Arabic letters ( 2 , 3 ,3', 5 ,5', 6 , 6', 7 , 7' ) , and Has NO Rule ....

The Point is :

Did you find the Franco Arab :
1-unusable
2-distractive
3-simple
4-could be more helpful if we use the English instead at least to improve our English

and why the youth using it :
didn't find the right keys to switch to Arabic keyboard ?

do u think it needs some real rules and the users will follow those rules and who'll made it ????

years later , how is the future about this Franco Arab ??

do you think if you use the English instead with your friends , will help you improve your and their English skills ??

------------------------Ashraf Kamel replied -----------------

I did a post about this topic sometime ago but unfortunately no one seemed to be interested...
The post was about rules I proposed for franco arab typing.

I have no problem with franco arab typing as long as the latin letters are used properly, unfortunately lots of people misuse the sounds of latin letters making it very hard to read their posts.

I also find franco arab useful in the following cases:
1. someone is using a computer or device that is not Arabic enabled.
2. someone is not that good in arabic typing
3. someone prepfers speaking english but needs to express something while his/her vocabulary is not helping much at the moment, and wishes to save time rather than switching to Ar. and back to En. on the keyboard.

if anyone is interested I can copy/paste the rules I propsed for franco arab, perhaps if we have general rules , things can be more organized and easy.

As for using English for practice, of course practice is very helpful to improve language skills. I also advice songs, movies and TV show. pay attention and listen to what they are saying instead of reading the subtitles..

-----------------me (2) --------------
Thanks for the replay .

However we see the rules is useful , or should design some rules for it , the Arabic Psycho In This Era, don't like rules ... so no one will ever take a look to the Rules Set or read the intro ..

The Misuse ( for almost anything ) is an Arabic Trademarking ... and Part of the Arabic identity ... so who are using the Franco-Arab , with the wide variation sets of words and mis-replacing the letters is a part of his/her character which based on his knowledge , education level and language skills ...

so
1- there is no rules
2- even the rules , generated some how now one will follow
3-there are already common misuse in the system

so why bother , writing in it OR Reading it ....

for me , i never use it or trying to ( rules matter ) , plus never chat with people who are using it ( Just Arabic or English - my rules ) , or never bother OR Try to read any Email , message , forum post or private message in this form....
simple , i replay back at the first ( Pure English , Arabic )
if he choose to keep up on my rule , he deserve my respect and attention , if he doesn't i have no time to loose to firing my mind understanding the non sense symbols , only can be decoded by the it
's Original writer ...

Simply Franco-Arab is a Code .

P.s : unfortunately the machines which have only English already dead back 7 years ago yes we needed it , now we don't ...
i have to skip great points at special topics cause it's excluded in Franco-Arab

---------Ashraf Kamel (2)--------------
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That's your rule, and so be it, it's so fine to have a personal rule to follow, there's absolutely nothing wrong with that. Like Terms of Service in the websites we use, if someone doesn't like the rule, he should leave, thats it.

So you don't like Franco-arab, its ok, but if you ignore it you might be isolating and secluding your self. As you said, you had to skip major discussion points because it was written in Franco-arab.
IMO, try reading, practicing it then skip the texts that are totally messed up just to save your self a major headache and eye strain.

And I agree with you about everything else, just take my advice, that you'll be isolating yourself that's all.

------------------Me (3)-------------------

Personally i skip the Franco-Arab cause it cost me double of the time reading the pure English or Arabic ......

plus if i am isolating myself to gain time and help myself to be better , isolating my language and style away from the non sense , Chat Codes , i believe am doing great..

Chat : am in control of my content in the chat windows and all my friends know that

Forums : I don't do drugs ( forums ) it cost me time and effort ....plus if am in some D-Board and see some franco-arab's words , am ignoring them completely ... setting uo my rule , even if there is some useful stuff in it ..... but i believed Good stuff , from good writers or thinkers , should be in Real Language with rules

Emails : Delete with simple replay , ( send it back in Arabic or English please ) ... if the sender send me back as my request good and thanks for keeping up my rules , if he didn't , it's great and Special Thanks to him cause he saved my time ...

it's not about isolating as it's about concept of respect the languages and the other one as well as the topic am answering or the people who'll deal with what i write :)

---------Ashraf Kamel (3)--------------
I agree with you that following a certain language with rules and roots is a good thing, yet people tend to seek the easy way to do things. specially communicating online while it's sometimes hard to type in Arabic or hard to express in English. So it's just easy for some people that's all.

The method you follow seems to be quite fitting to the rules you set for yourself, but franco-arab is some sort of online communication language or code as you named it, just like HTML, Java, and CSS...etc. some languages you may like , others you may not like, but they are there, weather you like it or not, so you have the choice to either use it or ignore it.

If you chose to ignore it, then I hope you have a suitable alternative.
I don't find franco-arab that bad, yet I express my self in English most of the time and use franco-arab rarely.

At the end the choice is yours, it's a code and it's there and heavily used. Either learn it , or find your own different way, or you may face the risk of isolation as I mentioned... tough choice I know... I wonder which one would you chose?

------------------Me (4)-------------------

it's not just following rules it's also matter of respect , and power to follow that rules as well as a believe in the rule before following it ...

some people find it hard to express themselves in Arabic on English Ohhh , why so a lack in language skills or communication ??? a fear from expressing themselves in real language ? or escaping from the rules ???

Is This generation or a Set of people , whom can't : Believe in their Own Language , Believe in themselves to express , Respect the Real Language , have this problem in communication ...... Able to Take a Commitment ? follow Marriage rules ? Do something or Be something ?

Personally i can't take anyone using it seriously at all ... and the way i see it , they are The ones who are isolating themselves not me ...

The Franco-Arab as non sense , Chat Code Cheat will never be in Books , Street's Signs , TV , Newspapers , Magazine ..... so why bother ...
it's only matter to see the people who are using it recovering and back to a language of rules ....

If These people can't Express themselves in a simple ruled Language , so surly there is no real Art in what they write , say or use , simple it needs more than simple effort to set the words together so i can't believe there is real serious point in what the write or a hidden Poem , short story ....

Comparing the Non Sense , Chat Code Cheats ( Franco-Arab ) to : HTML , CSS , JAVA , Python , Ruby : Is Quite a huge Insulting to

1- The people who invent , create , Use , manage those languages
2- How to compare the non sense to useful matter language
3- Those language needed a huge major effort to set them like that and to be that useful , and usable , How could The Franco-Arab do that ???
4-Every single language you mention has it's own syntax , rules ,,,,and if you can unite the users on single on syntax * which i see impossible ( what's report me to re-view my points again ) .
5-The Comparing Items is Out of the reality some how , Those are programming languages and This are a Code Chat Cheat , used in daily common life by some people , you supposed to compare it to Arabic Latin , Hebrew , English or what ever ...

Again about isolating matter :
1-They are the ones Who isolating themselves Not me
2-They Have a major problem expressing themselves in a real language with simple rules , so how i can bother trying to understand them ?
3-if you don't see they can't express themselves in Arabic or English , is That a Communication problem ? and if it's should they fix it ??

4- they have a major lack in language skills , so how come i supposed to know their point of view are true , i can tell : they have the write to express themselves But i can't say i'll take anyone of the that serious ( No Enough Language skills , means there is no enough communication skills or expression technique that will help them to exclude , discuss , review their points ...

5- Years later those guys , girls will be some how mothers and father , what if they kids start to use another Chat Cheat Code non sense language , how they supposed to communicate ? the 2 generations ?
misunderstandings , Miscommunication , Misjudgments will be the common featured rule in the community then ....

6- the Community will never accept their rules for the non sense code ( called language ) those youth are a little group of people treating the rest of the community as it's not excited yet , misunderstand them , miscommunicate with the them , and misjudgments them , as of course blaming the community for all of that !!!!! so they are NOT a People Or They don't make the community rules , even they will do years later , it'll be also non sense simply cause it's Source origin matter and respect

7-self trust : if those people can't trust themselves in expressing what they want say , write , and replay , in using a real ruled language , HOW should i trust their opinion ?

8- it's matter of respect , commitment more than rules matter :
are Those set of people : got the respect to the rule and commitment to it ? and if they don't have , why bother considering what they wrote has a sense ?

9.The way i see : if you wanna to express yourself with another one from another culture ( same language ) you need to settle down a Technique to do that .... so those youth expressing themselves to same generation youth in the same culture But Isolating themselves from the real community ... so their writing , talking , chatting and discussion will be isolated from people from the pervious generation reforming a culture stress and community confusion ..... so their thinking thoughts , believes , concepts will be wiped out away from the real community and real life .....
the point is :if they aimed for that why bother believing or taking serious what they said , if they can't that simple point ?

10.If He can't Trust Himself to express himself in the real language , cause lack of terms , grammar's knowledge , and he didn't work out to improve himself , and Stuck to the point , why i should trust in him either ,or his points or taking him seriously.... so there is no blame on me or the community

رابط المقال :
http://hamzaz.deviantart.com/art/Franco-Arab-Non-sense-code-64708656

نعم أخي د. حمزة عماد الدين بن موسي هي ليست لغة هذه التي سماها صاحبنا بالفرانكو اراب فهي الية للتحايل علي عدم توافر لوحة المفاتيح العربية هذه واحدة أما الاخري فهي عدم دعم برامج ومتصحفات النت للغة العربية ، نشرك عليس الاضافة

المصيبة الكبرى في الجزائر، قوم لا يفقهون لغتهم ليس الكل طبعا ولكن المشاهد لرسائل SMS على شاشات التلفزيزن يرى عجب العجاب لكل يكتب لغته أو لهجته بحروف لاتنية وعروبتاه وإسلاماه... العمري البشير الجزائر

بســـم الله الرحمــن الرحيم،
الحمد لله و حده و بعد،

إن مشكلة الكتابة سواء باللغة الفرنسية أو باللغة العربية بأحرف لاتينية، لها عدة اسباب تاريخية و تقافية و سياسية.
لكن أهم هده الأسباب في ما يتعلق بالكمبيوتر عموما و بالأنترنت خصوصا، هو سياسي محض.

فالشخص الدي أعطا الرخصة لإستيراد آلاف الحواسيب بلوحة مفاتيح فرنسية،و يشغلها نضام الويندوز بالفرنسية، بدلا من العربية.
بالإضافة إلى الشركة المستوردة هما المسؤولان رقم ١ عن هده المأساة

و سيدكرهما التاريخ لأنهم إستأصلو اللغة العربية بطريقة عنيفة، عن قصد أو غير قصد، فالقانون لا يعدر المغفلين، و نحن كدلك لن نغفر لهم جريمتهم هده. فليمرحو و يفرحو حتى حين .

و مما يبين أن هده الجريمة في حق الشعوب المغاربية خاصة (هده المشاكل لا وجود لها في المشرق( سياسية 100% ؛ أن نفس الشيء حصل بالنسبة للهاتف الجوال ، كلها بالفرنسية
مما ادى بقناة الجزيرة أن تقدم خدمتها الإخبارية على الجوال في المغرب باللـــغة الفرنسية،
لأن لا أحدا يمتلك جوال بالعربية في بلاد المغرب الإسلامي.

إن أبناء فرنسا في بلاد المغرب، قدمو لها من الخدمات ما لم يكن في حسبانها في يوم من الأيام أن تصل إليه .
فلغتها مفروضة على كــــل أبناء الشعب. و من لم يتعلم لغة أسيادهم بل و يتقنها جيدا، فهو يهمش في موطنه . و يصبح أميا و إن كانت معه درجة الدكتوراه بالعربية !
فأي إستقلال هدا الدي ضحت من أجله أجيال ، بل أمة كاملة .
لقد باع أبناء فرنسا دماء الشهداء، من أجل فتاة يرميه لهم أسيادهم بعد أن يشبعو من سرقة الملايين المملينة من هدا الشعب المقهور .

فمسألة اللغة سياسية ١٠٠٠٠ %, متعلقة بمسألة السيادة ، فلا سيادة و لا إستقلال و إنما يضحكون على الناس ، و الله المستعان.

أخي (صاحب المشاركة الأخيرة) ليس المشكل فقط سياسي و إنما أيديولوجي حيث أني أعرف الكثير من الناس لديهم حواسب ذوي لوحة مفاتيح - عربية - و لا يستعملمونها و يهملونها فرغم استطاعتهم الكتابة بها فهم يفضلون كتابة اللهجة العربية - المغربية - بأحرف لاتينية .
و السلام

يمكن ليا ندرج معكوم؟ مشي مشكيل، هادي نقول عندكم لحق ولكن شوفو دبا شباب خدام غير بفرنسوية وخا معندوش شي مستوى كبير او واحد شد دكتورة او جلس لرد. هنا كنهدرو بزاف متندرو.
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